Inafune never required backers involvement

DunnoBro · July 03, 2014, 02:11:08 PM

icannotdomyjob · July 03, 2014, 06:06:06 PM

Betaman · July 29, 2014, 01:14:15 AM

There was no reason to Inafune to get any backers involvement in a project. He could just make his game, show stuff sometimes to see how's it going and that's it. The only real input he could really need is beta testing.

But he promised the backers' involvement in the Kickstarter. If I had to guess, he did this to get more money. And, as we all know by now, that idea bit him right in his ass. There' ain't a lot of things people can suggest to a game without changing the creator's vision. If I remember correctly, there were only two pools, about Call's design and some random enemy's color. Call's design should be irrelevant to Inafune's vision, but due to the massive response it wasn't. That's why, after a long time, the only other pool was about colors, and even that had a disclaimer about how it will probably be modified to match the game's art.

Of course, this has nothing to do with the community they promised the backers.

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(and I'm cool with that : like ZX & ZX Advent had a man or a woman as main character)

Oh man please let this happen. The butthurt would be amazing, something to marvel at.

TechnoWolf · July 30, 2014, 08:21:07 AM

The community they promised ?

Though I have a ton of problem with moderation and community management, I won't deny that stupidity arose from backers camp as well.

The community is also what we make of it.

Betaman · July 31, 2014, 01:58:36 AM

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The community they promised ?

Though I have a ton of problem with moderation and community management, I won't deny that stupidity arose from backers camp as well.

The community is also what we make of it.

Well, there's not a lot to "make" if the person supposed to bring the community together not only didn't do it, but took great pains to make sure nobody who disagrees with her has any voice.

TechnoWolf · July 31, 2014, 08:51:12 AM

I was refering mostly to comment in the kickstarter section.

I won't point out name but apparently some's been saying Dina got her job "from under the boss's desk" (to quote the term). I won't judge anybody but

that's not a thing to say.... yes, even on the Internet.

Still, when shit hit the fan this hard, it's hard to point fingers at one person only. Sure Dina did a pretty bad job, and Heat Man's been getting on my nerve since the day he started out as a mod

with his HM EDIT & stuff. But this situation deteriorated because of some other people in the backers as well, let's not lie to us on that.

I, by no way, am saying what Dina did was right, and all these ban (especially the most recent one) shouldn't have happenned. But I won't blame one person only...

That being said, the community is ALWAYS made with its members. The reasons it didn't happen wasn't due to Dina, it was due to the multiple bans & silencing (by Dina, yes) that were installed during that climate which was

btought partly by some of the backers.

56008 · July 31, 2014, 05:08:21 PM

This whole "who started it" or ?who?s to blame? issue is debatable. From what I remembered, all of the information we had on Dina was readily and publically available on her Twitter account: her "inside connection" to the company, being a feminist, claiming to be working on designing robots and her lack of any experience or knowledge with the MegaMan franchise.

Was it wrong to look into her Twitter account to dig up such information? Was it crossing the line to share such information to the community, which started up the whole fiasco? Personally I feel that it?s fair game when you post something online and make it available for everyone to see, but everybody will have a different opinion on the matter.

You are right though: everyone went pretty crazy once the information was ?leaked?, from the White Knights to the Misogynists and everyone in between. They most certainly share the blame for how the community is now today. However, whose job was it to make sure that stuff like this doesn?t get out of hand? Our Community Manager, Dina. But whose decision was it to hire an inexperienced person for the job and practically set her up to fail right from the get go? comcept.

So I do agree with the thought we shouldn?t blame one person since it took everybody to form our current community. But let?s not forget that it?s Dina?s job to maintain the community and it was comcepts decision to not only to select her as our CM but to continue to stand by her after all that has happened.

Jagos · July 31, 2014, 10:25:22 PM

Guys...

As an outsider here, I gotta comment. There was a lot more to the situation than that and Dina was the tip of the iceberg. It's why I was investigating myself and called for information. The numbers didn't add up.

You can't blame just Dina, but there's a LOT of people that made this thing a fiasco and the cause and effect goes a lot deeper.

The sad part is that this all could have been avoided with some better representation and some better ways to communicate besides a forum which wasn't equipped to handle such a large crowd of people. Among other issues that have gone unaddressed. >_>;

56008 · August 01, 2014, 01:29:04 AM

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Guys...

As an outsider here, I gotta comment. There was a lot more to the situation than that and Dina was the tip of the iceberg. It's why I was investigating myself and called for information. The numbers didn't add up.

You can't blame just Dina, but there's a LOT of people that made this thing a fiasco and the cause and effect goes a lot deeper.

The sad part is that this all could have been avoided with some better representation and some better ways to communicate besides a forum which wasn't equipped to handle such a large crowd of people. Among other issues that have gone unaddressed. >_>;

Oh I agree completely.

However I just feel that had it not been Dina, but another more experience and qualified person as the Community Manager, all the other issues and problems may not have been as evident or avoided altogether.

TechnoWolf · August 02, 2014, 12:57:24 PM

Again, I won't accuse only one person (or one group of person).

She did poorly, I saw SOME backers saying unacceptable stuff. And damage was done to us, the people ready to discuss things.

Why ? well, it's the same thing everywhere, really : we've all had that kid jerk in our class that teachers never dared to punish because he would just go out of control

and scream & yell & maybe commit crime (oh yeah, I've seen that happen in my place). And then that same teacher would just destroy you without any second thought

if you did something wrong yourself.

It's kind of the same thing here : we were damaged because we WERE damageable. Trolls (and there were trolls) wouldn't be because they weren't damageable. Why ? because they

didn't care.

Fortunately, I was late in the community, and had no story with Dina and the moderation whatsoever, hence my presence still not banned there.

Now, just because I didn't recieve a ban (which I surely would have recieved had I participated during the "Dina War") doesn't mean I don't get people that got banned & censored because they were expressing

complaint. My whole feeling was just : both side did poorly, and by "side" I mean "the people we let speak when we sometimes shouldn't have".

icannotdomyjob · August 03, 2014, 02:35:15 PM

TechnoWolf got it, LOL. It's exactly like that teacher & spoiled student scenario. The problem is that the spoiled brat is the child of the person that

Spoiler

payed for the school's power.

TechnoWolf · August 03, 2014, 02:47:37 PM

In that case, THAT child should be parented >.>

And in our case : communication should've been better. Which furtherproves my point.

icannotdomyjob · August 03, 2014, 03:04:55 PM

But don't you know? That spoiled brat is across the country from her parents! Her parents would need to fly a hemisphere away just to teach her manners!

And our teacher is too busy preparing the teaching material to pay any attention to us. All we get is cold turkey sandwiches.

TechnoWolf · August 03, 2014, 03:12:15 PM

Well, I'll have to do it myself. Watch & learn :

Ahem !

...

bad, pioupiou !!!

icannotdomyjob · August 03, 2014, 03:17:41 PM

No Father!